June 25th, 2010
02:53 PM ET

England vs. Germany: Don't mention the score

The West German squad and locker room staff celebrate their victory over England in the 1990 World Cup semi-final. (Getty)
The West German squad and locker room staff celebrate their victory over England in the 1990 World Cup semi-final. (Getty)

London, England - When it comes to relations between England and Germany it’s hard not to mention the war. It's certainly the case with football, which proved a symbol of peace in World War One when German and English troops stopped fighting one Christmas and instead played each other at soccer.

However, it was used by Hitler for propaganda just prior to World War Two, when the England team gave a Nazi salute at an international game in Berlin.

Official matches between the two sides date back 110 years. The most famous came in the 1966 World Cup final, when a hat-trick from Geoff Hurst earned England a 4-2 extra-time victory over the then West Germany - a match that England fans now recall with the chant of “two World Wars and one World Cup.”

 The West Germans took their revenge at the next World Cup in June 1970, when they came from 2-0 down in the quarterfinals to knock out England 3-2. The result so demoralized the folks back home that then British Prime Minister Harold Wilson blamed the defeat for his Labour Party losing the general election four days later.

Overall, England have won 12 of the 27 meetings between the countries, and Germany - or West Germany - have been victorious on 10 occasions, with five games drawn.

Two of those stalemates resulted in penalty shoot-outs, with Germany winning both - first at the 1990 World Cup semifinals in Italy, then in the last four again at the 1996 European Championship when England was the host nation.

It’s little wonder then that the current England World Cup squad have spent considerable time practicing penalties, while goalkeeper David James has studied statistics and video of his opponents’ most likely penalty-takers.

Historically, England may have had problems scoring from the penalty spot but they’ve had no trouble hitting the net from open play. Overall they have outscored the Germans 47-34 across all their games, including a crushing 5-1 World Cup qualifying victory in Munich in 2001 that prompted one UK tabloid newspaper to crow: “Don’t mention the score.”

 Given all this history, it’s unsurprising that the build-up to Sunday's game in Bloemfontein has generated its share of trash talk. German legend Franz Beckenbauer has described England, the oldest squad in the tournament, as a kick-and-rush team that's been fatigued by the long Premier League season.

Then there’s Kevin Keegan – who quit as England boss following defeat by Germany in the last competitive match at the old Wembley Stadium - insisting that the young German side is "definitely beatable.” (Serbia showed Germany in the  current tournament that he's not wrong on that count.)

Whoever wins, Sunday will be but the latest instalment in one of football's most enduring international rivalries. The only certainty is that come what may, some fans will continue to mention the war.

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  1. Damien

    Only Americans would talk about war in the context of a football game.

    June 26, 2010 at 4:39 pm | Reply
  2. JoshuaD

    "England team gave a Nazi salute at an international game in Berlin."

    Surley, it was the German team that gave the Nazi salute?

    June 26, 2010 at 5:44 pm | Reply
  3. An Englishman

    You should hear the comparison some of the tabloids in England are making: "It's like the war again: the French have dropped out, the Americans will arrive later and we'll have to face the Germans alone"

    June 26, 2010 at 7:19 pm | Reply
  4. Aydem Kyhibi

    Haha coming second in our group has opened up a nightmare route. We may have to face Germany, Argentina and then Brazil!

    June 26, 2010 at 8:36 pm | Reply
  5. Mischpoke

    Well you here the war-metaphors just in USA and England...
    not in Germany...

    Pretty boring and embarrassing btw...

    But say whatever you want to say. We don't care

    June 26, 2010 at 8:49 pm | Reply
  6. Birdynator

    They will always mention the war, but it's football (sorry, soccer i mean)
    and it's 2010, not 1940.

    Peace from Germany!

    June 26, 2010 at 8:55 pm | Reply
  7. Karl

    There is some rivalry between England and Germany, but Holland is the true arch-rival of Germany.

    June 26, 2010 at 9:18 pm | Reply
  8. Dennis Morrod

    The news of Germany's win at football against England in the 1970 World Cup very quickly reached a Himalayan base-camp where members of an Internation climbing team were resting. The German leader of the expedition on hearing the 'good news' of Germany's win, over the camp radio, strolled over to an English member of the team: "I see we have beaten you at your National Sport.", the dry reply being: "Ah yes, but we beat you at yours – twice."

    June 26, 2010 at 9:25 pm | Reply
  9. BP

    You might want to edit your last sentance for factual accuracy... It should read "The only certainty is that come what may, some [English] fans will continue to mention the war."

    June 26, 2010 at 9:49 pm | Reply
  10. Poles

    Duh....see Ballacks opinion in The Times. For the Germans this is an important match but not in the way the English see it. Ballack even says he doesn't understand why the English see it as something extraordinally big.

    The one real rival for Germany actually does come from a country west of theirs, but it's a bit closer. Hint; they are known for the very bright color they wear😉

    June 26, 2010 at 9:59 pm | Reply
  11. billgoldberg

    The English like to believe the Germans care about them. They don't. Germany doesn't have a rivalry with England, it has with the Netherlands.

    June 26, 2010 at 10:03 pm | Reply
  12. Simon Laub Soka Afrika Producer

    CMON GHANAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    The Black Stars have done Africa proud!

    The Beauty of SA2010 is the levelling of the field.

    In modern day International Football form on the day and confidence are paramount.

    Experience of past World tournaments are valuable but as the departure of Italy and France has shown, any team found wanting on the day will crash out.

    As the tournament progresses and pressure grows, lets see whether when the focussed support of the continent is funnelled into Ghana, they can rise to the occasion and beat Brazil on Penalties in the final.... just as they did in the recent U20 World Cup in Egypt!

    For Africa I truly hope they go far, but its the World Cup, anything can happen!

    Either way History will be made – the departure of Champions Italy has ensured that!

    Soka Afrika Producer (and CNN Superfan)

    Simon Laub

    June 26, 2010 at 10:12 pm | Reply
  13. johnny orlando

    Well lets hope that the English team doesn't need our help to beat Germany this time because our soccer skills do not match our military skills. Deutsche sieg

    June 26, 2010 at 10:56 pm | Reply
  14. A Sheriff

    I'm going for an England win here. Although Germany is more cohesive as a team, i think that, psychologically, their last perfomance in the group stage has given them a boost, whereas the Germans' perfomance sort of waned after a fantastic first match (albeit helped by Cahill's harsh sending off).

    June 26, 2010 at 11:03 pm | Reply
  15. A Sheriff

    Ooops, I meant England's last perfomance in the group stage gave ENGLAND a psychological edge over Germany.

    June 26, 2010 at 11:06 pm | Reply
  16. Austin Rucker

    I think 'Don't Mention the Score' is a play on a Fawlty Towers skit and not the 2001 Munich Game.

    *score sounds like war.

    June 26, 2010 at 11:12 pm | Reply
  17. Chris

    Deutchland, Deutchland, uber alle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    June 26, 2010 at 11:12 pm | Reply
  18. Germanyfan

    Go Germany! Kick some butt!🙂

    June 26, 2010 at 11:38 pm | Reply
  19. Skip Tracy

    Love the reference to "Don't mention the war." Basil Fawlty would be proud.

    June 27, 2010 at 12:03 am | Reply
  20. MAKE MY DAY

    The England team get's worse every world cup....I'm tired of all the false hope and promises – My money is on the Krauts to beat England, Argentina and maybe even Spain – And then face Brazil in the final!!! How is that for making a bold statement??

    June 27, 2010 at 12:20 am | Reply
  21. Ben

    WW2 is still on!

    June 27, 2010 at 12:21 am | Reply
  22. CedarRapids

    Don't be surprised to hear the damnbusters theme being hummed tomorrow at some point.

    June 27, 2010 at 12:30 am | Reply
  23. CedarRapids

    'Surley, it was the German team that gave the Nazi salute?'

    Alas no, it was the English team as well. It was a couple of years before WWII kicked off and no one knew any better.

    June 27, 2010 at 12:32 am | Reply
  24. Jean

    There wouldn't have been any controversy if it had just been the Germans giving the Nazi salute. It's when others joined in that there was a potential for uproar afterwards.

    June 27, 2010 at 12:39 am | Reply
  25. Josh

    JoshuaD June 26th, 2010 5:44 pm ET

    "England team gave a Nazi salute at an international game in Berlin."

    Surley, it was the German team that gave the Nazi salute?

    Unfortunately not. Hitler forced the English team to give the Nazi salute if they wanted to take the pitch. After the war, many of the English players tried to say that they refused and never did to cover up the fact they did in the 30's (I think it was '38?).

    June 27, 2010 at 12:48 am | Reply
  26. Wombat

    "Der Ball ist rund und das Spiel dauert 90 Minuten." – I go with that Sepp Herberger quote (the ball is round and the match takes 90 minutes).

    After the match, we will be smarter (or not) and everyone will know why one team won and the other did not.

    Grüße aus Illinois von einem Exildeutschen – greetings from Illinois from a German immigrant.

    June 27, 2010 at 12:52 am | Reply
  27. Lawrence

    pic to prove it.

    A direct order from Sir Neville Henderson the British Ambassador in Berlin. The players were told that the political situation between Britain and Germany was now so sensitive that it needed "only a spark to set Europe alight". As a result the England team reluctantly agreed to give the Nazi salute.

    June 27, 2010 at 12:54 am | Reply
  28. gj

    Stupidity seems infectious.

    England and Germany are (for those who missed history) befriended nations, since...well, about four times your ages.

    This is not a war-related event.
    It's a football game between pro's

    Tabloids like Bild and The Sun ignore the most important thing: We all hate the French.

    Have fun my neighbours

    GJ from The Netherlands

    June 27, 2010 at 1:08 am | Reply
  29. Smack

    It's funny how England thinks they had anything to do with winning WW2. I guess getting your asss saved by Russia and USA equates winning. Before that they were a dog with their tale between it's legs, getting bombed every night.

    June 27, 2010 at 1:15 am | Reply
  30. John

    Damien, you're ridiculous...Terry Badoo (the author, in case you didn't bother to check) is British and is clearly writing from that perspective. Personally, I think it's pretty insightful commentary about an intriguing rivalry.

    June 27, 2010 at 1:20 am | Reply
  31. Sara

    For Damien who stated "Only Americans would talk about war in the context of a football game."

    The author of this piece is not American but British and although based in the U.S. works for CNN international.

    June 27, 2010 at 1:27 am | Reply
  32. Thorsten

    The real issue with the English is that Germany, even though having lost two wars, is the most powerful country in Europe. Germany has moved on and developed into modern society while England still lives in the past.

    June 27, 2010 at 1:35 am | Reply
  33. Dee

    I have never understood the German bashing of the Brits. Their royalty are all have German ancestry (the Mountbattens were, prior to 1917, the Battenburgs) and consider themselves German (see recent quote by Princess Eugenie), and the Brits ADORE their royals...so, what hypocrites! They would be nothing without Germany. And since 1966, haven't even made it to the semifinals of any international contest.
    Seems they are only good at playing with themselves.

    June 27, 2010 at 1:37 am | Reply
  34. Agamemnon Padar

    This comparison with WWII is a fun, nothing serious. Both sides know its soccer and nothing but soccer. Even I hope that our german team will go to the next round, I will not sleep bad should England win. In case, unlikely as it is (soccer is a game for 22 players, played with a ball, on a field with two goals... and Germany wins), England would go to the next ground, I will just turn into an England fan since I am anglophile since my school time.

    June 27, 2010 at 1:50 am | Reply
  35. jayman419

    @CedarRapids – It was May 14, 1938, after Hitler had already annexed Austria.

    @JoshuaD- It was part of Britain's appeasement efforts. The gesture came before a match against Germany in Berlin. There's an article on the Daily Mail website about the "shameful picture" that wasn't published in Britain until 2008.

    June 27, 2010 at 1:54 am | Reply
  36. Steve

    Time to grow up. No wonder the world is in such a mess when we act so silly over a game.
    Maybe we should go back to the people fighting lions thing. Now that would be fun!

    June 27, 2010 at 1:55 am | Reply
  37. Silver Mello

    Englishmen: bad with food, teeth,and football. And no sense of humor at all.

    Germany 2 x England 0

    June 27, 2010 at 2:03 am | Reply
  38. Dave

    As a dual citizen of UK and USA I take offense to this ridiculous article that opens with reference to "it's not hard to mention the war ". I'd be pissed if I was a German reading this. Germans as a rule are sensitive and not proud of this era and I am sure will think we are asses if reading this from a major media platform of the USA. I really think it is inappropriate.

    June 27, 2010 at 2:06 am | Reply
  39. stonebear

    the Nazi salute was only a gesture to mean your heart goes in Peace

    June 27, 2010 at 2:23 am | Reply
  40. USsoccerfan

    It's so true. The English think the Germans care about them–but the Germans don't even think about Enfgland. Ever. Having lived both in England and in Germany, I can tell you one thing–the English have an inferiority complex towards the Germans. And please, Englishmen–you didn't come close to winning either war. The US saved your butts.

    June 27, 2010 at 2:28 am | Reply
  41. lance corporal

    too bad the football rules don't allow the US to help if the germans start giving the english a hard time.....

    June 27, 2010 at 2:30 am | Reply
  42. USsoccerfan

    In addition, it is SO obvious this article was wriiten by a Brit. The bias is amazing.

    June 27, 2010 at 2:35 am | Reply
  43. Bernhard Meck

    Awkward, those eternally 'stuck-in-the-past' Brits rehashing 'the war'. Awkward, seeing 'the empire' wither, famous British brands like Bentley and Rolls being recued by Germans... awkward that modern Germans barely think of any 'rivalry' with the Brits... instead, they just see them as 'fun neighbors' that make Monty Python movies, 'Faulty Towers' and other hilarious stuff... and speak ENGLISH, which they love to practise on them...
    Was 'the war' really the last glorious moment for Britain? Let's hope not. Let's hope they can come up with more genius products like Stilton and no more bad ideas like bad animals feed that causes 'mad-cow-disease'. After all now we have the Americans produce 'Austin Powers' faux-Brit humor and the Indians rescue Range Rover and Jaguar... awkward!
    Can't we all just get along and have some more 'funny Brits' that make great comedies to keep Germans and Americans entertained??? And we love that queen!

    June 27, 2010 at 2:40 am | Reply
  44. Marlon

    Why England and not Germany as a Brazilian?

    Here in Brazil we have learned English as our second language;
    We learned that football [soccer] was created in England;
    Germany already has three titles;
    We fought alongside the British in World War II.
    [But today we have nothing against Germans here, and there are millions of Germans who came to Brazil to work and are very prosperous and dear here]
    Today we know the chucruts by the Germans as well as hot dogs and sausages. lol
    Many cities in southern Brazil were founded by Germans.
    But in general we just want to beat England.

    That is the truth and nothing but
    God and Jesus Christ our Lord bless all

    June 27, 2010 at 2:43 am | Reply
  45. WSSpeculator

    Wow now this looks like it will be a great match. Two powerhouses Germany and England. I think this could be the most competitive game of the entire World Cup! Greetings from the USA

    June 27, 2010 at 2:49 am | Reply
  46. P A Reed

    Wake me up when American football starts. I just can't get excited by a 0-0 tie. It's like watching paint dry or grass grow.

    June 27, 2010 at 2:51 am | Reply
  47. cyreen

    England is so over rated. Germany will kick some arse tomorrow.

    June 27, 2010 at 3:23 am | Reply
  48. Sam

    @Damien
    "Only Americans would talk about war in the context of a football game."

    Actually, "don't mention the war" is a very English joke from an episode of the comedy Faulty Towers. And English fans regularly taunt their German rivals by chanting "Two world wars and one World Cup!"

    June 27, 2010 at 3:23 am | Reply
  49. SM

    "Surely...England......Nazi salute"

    Alas, they all knew better, but they did it anyway. cfp. Arianizona.
    Nothing changes.

    June 27, 2010 at 3:31 am | Reply
  50. Mark

    @ Damien: Only the Americans would talk about war in the context of football? I can assure you the exact opposite is the case. Talk to any football fan from any European country whose team is facing the Germans and I guarantee you the war will come up within one minute. The Germans are probably the only ones who will not mention the war. Three post-war generations having grown up with the shame of their country having started three wars in 80 years (the Franco-Prussian war being the first) have led to, in my view, the most pacifist population in Europe and polite as well. Just ask Gary Lineker from England, who, after having been beaten by the Germans in the 1990 semi-final, ran into two German players in the doping test room–no gloating, no mockery, but pure politeness. The problem with the Germans, however, is that over the years, they have shown to be good at football–efficient, organized and talented with a never-give-up mentality. In all, it is not a good mixture for letting other countries forget about the war(s). And if they will, their tabloid media (especially the British) will not let them. "Football is War" said the legendary Dutch coach Rinus Michels in the seventies. Or, as Gary Lineker put it after the above-referenced match: "Football is a simple game; 22 men chase a ball for 90 minutes and at the end, the Germans win." Good luck England–you know you need it.

    June 27, 2010 at 3:34 am | Reply
  51. Prakash Thapa

    Come on Germany repeat 1970 and later......

    June 27, 2010 at 3:56 am | Reply
  52. gaijin1946

    I love Germany. I love England. I have studied the literature, music, philosophy, and art–the things that survive even the most brutal aberrations of political history–of both nations for 50 years. I wish as an American that the USA still enjoyed the democratic vitality and proud multiculturalism of either nation. But if someone gives the Nazi salute at the big game this year or in any year, don't call that person English or German. Call him what he actually is: a man without a country, a thug, a skinhead, a mindless drunk. (But don't say that to his face, of course. He will kick you really hard.) Go England. Go Germany. I will cheer no matter who scores or wins. God bless the World Cup.

    June 27, 2010 at 4:04 am | Reply
  53. chris

    "Birdynator June 26th, 2010 8:55 pm ET

    "They will always mention the war, but it's football (sorry, soccer i mean)
    and it's 2010, not 1940."

    and so we should mention the war right up until you germans do feel ashamed about it, if you lot didnt have such a cocky arrogant attitude wherever you go things would be different my friend, its a good job its only a game of soccer and not a war, cos you cant win them!!!!

    vindaloo vindaloo nar nar!!!

    June 27, 2010 at 4:09 am | Reply
  54. Thorsten

    @ Aydem Kyhibi: Don't worry, you will only face Germany😉

    @ JoshuaD: Since it was prior to WW2, the Nazi salute by the English players was probably a sign of politeness, like Germans would have bowed to the King of England.

    @ the author: First, you forgot to mention the most important reason for this rivalry. Since 1966, any time England has faced Germany when it mattered (most notably Euro Cup 1996 and World Cup 1990), England lost. In penalty shooting. And Germany went on to win the title. Man, I'm glad I'm not English...

    Second, neither in England nor in Germany do even the most passionate football fans compare today's match to a war. We live in an age where - thankfully - we do not feel the need to express our cultural pride (and national superiority) by invading countries and taking lives. There are a lot of other epic stories surrounding this match-up, but apparently CNN has not reached the 21st century yet😦

    June 27, 2010 at 4:32 am | Reply
  55. ereika faust

    for heavens sake,forget the Nazy's...they are garbage.................

    June 27, 2010 at 4:35 am | Reply
  56. Mike

    The English can rest assured that when the Germans start to beat them too badly, the Americans will swoop in and save them.

    June 27, 2010 at 4:43 am | Reply
  57. John

    Sad for England and its tabloids that they still have to resort to wartime rhetoric. Probably makes them feel like they still matter in this world. You don't see any drama queens or egomaniacs on the German team, they're actually good people who deserve to go all the way. Send the Brits home, go Germany!

    June 27, 2010 at 4:46 am | Reply
  58. Hunter Yuan

    I like both Germany and England ,but when it comes to the situation they play against each other ,I stand on England !

    June 27, 2010 at 4:48 am | Reply
  59. Ralph Celi

    It is true that when we are taking a break of the world’s crisis across the spectrum feels out of touch bringing up political issues, like this, I agree in this. At the same time it is flat wrong stating that American people are the only one that mixes politics and sports. Each and every dictatorship regime uses for politics everything, including sports. The people might be starving, but the regime always finds resources to assign for these issues, like sports, that could bring false conclusions about the goodies of the system, this is their way to show to the world their achievements, and all of them hate our country. They might not have freedom of speech, but they find always ways to throw out all that it takes to make them look humanitarian, concern about the health of their people, and so on. There are many examples, olds, new, and remaining from al times, like Soviet Union, East Germany, Cuba, and we will see more with the new Spanish speaking wave, like Venezuela, Nicaragua, Ecuador, and Bolivia. In spite of all this, those that want to look where they can see look at countries that deserves admiration and do not capitalize from their achievement in the sport, countries with proud and courage, like Honduras and the great performance for a poor country, without tradition of being in a World Cup. We are not perfect but believe me we are one of few countries where we can have an authentic freedom of speech for everybody. It might not like to some people, but we all defend everybody’s right to dissent.

    June 27, 2010 at 4:51 am | Reply
  60. FREDO

    what this article fails to mention is that englands goal in 66 against germany didn't cross the goal line and it's called "the ghost goal". They basically robbed the tournament, even joao havelange, FIFA's ex boss from brasil admitted to it on a book he wrote after retiring.

    June 27, 2010 at 4:52 am | Reply
  61. Kasey

    Fawlty Towers says don't mention the war. 🙂

    June 27, 2010 at 4:59 am | Reply
  62. enass

    it's really sad English newspapers have so little niveau! There is no reason to compare soccer with war. We live in a peaceful Europe and we should be happy about it. I guess England is just very jealous because they only won one title, so they try to tease Germany! Even if the would win, the'll never make it to the final!

    June 27, 2010 at 5:06 am | Reply
  63. lookUpFacts

    @Damien: Terry is from England. Not USA.

    June 27, 2010 at 5:11 am | Reply
  64. bhabatosh

    surely people who does not know how to play soccer will talk about war. England have world cup once in home , that too not without controversy. USA can not handle Ghana . So basically BBC/CNN does will try to use WW 1, 2 to set some satisfaction that they beat German sometime. But this not war and complete non sense to talk about it in 2010 from wolrd cup soccers perspective.
    Ok , enough said , lets see what happens tomorrow on the pitch .....

    June 27, 2010 at 5:26 am | Reply
  65. Jana

    All your comments are hilarious! I am looking forward to a hopefully great match!

    June 27, 2010 at 5:30 am | Reply
  66. *usa*

    Well I Hope Germany And USA Win In The End. Im For Both. Im Born And Proud To Be An American...And Have Been In Germany Sines 02

    June 27, 2010 at 5:40 am | Reply
  67. Fact Checker

    The salute was part of the opening ceremony, when the teams marched past the host country's officials and acknowledged them in some way. The salute given in 1936 was actually the Olympic salute, a stupid idea, which required the athlete to extend his/her arm horizontally out to the side, and which looked ridiculously like the German Nazi salute. The USA team refused to do it. Hitler used those Olympic salute in propaganda.

    June 27, 2010 at 5:40 am | Reply
  68. Chris

    it is always an intense match for both Germany and England. Having watched both games this week in the UK and now back in Köln to watch us play today. I am surprised how much more important the game is for the English than it is for the Germans. For the English there is no greater Rival than Germany, for Germay England is just one of many teams that dont like us and so yes the Dutch are maybe a more intense match for us. Pity we could not beat the French, but they seemed to run a soap opera rather than a proper football team😉

    June 27, 2010 at 5:42 am | Reply
  69. gkedpage

    Never been a huge German fan but England are going to lose tomorrow. England don't have the depth in their squad!

    June 27, 2010 at 5:51 am | Reply
  70. CaptnJo

    Don't mention Wembley and the penalty kicks *lol*

    Did you know that England beat Germany only once since 1970 in 2001? An Englishmen described soccer the following:"Soccer is an easy game in which 22 player are chasing the ball for 90 minutes, and at the end wins Germany."

    June 27, 2010 at 5:57 am | Reply
  71. BV

    Yeah, I don't get the war references either. It's not like the German team has to play against an American, Russian and English team all at the same time.

    June 27, 2010 at 6:24 am | Reply
  72. Joe Johns

    Im German, from Berlin. Take it from me, I agree, only an American would write that the Brits or Germans will speak about WWII in the context of football. This is the view of an American that knows little about life and culture in Europe. Its just made up to make an article sound dramatic, and it falls terribly flat... unless you are yourself an American that has no familiarity with Europe.

    June 27, 2010 at 6:26 am | Reply
  73. Joe Johns

    Im German, from Berlin. Take it from me, I agree, oI cant think of any European writing that the Brits or Germans will speak about WWII in the context of football. This is the view of an American that knows little about life and culture in Europe. Its just made up to make an article sound dramatic, and it falls terribly flat... unless you are yourself an American that has no familiarity with Europe.

    June 27, 2010 at 6:27 am | Reply
  74. Noah T

    JoshuaD June 26th, 2010 5:44 pm ET
    "England team gave a Nazi salute at an international game in Berlin."

    Surley, it was the German team that gave the Nazi salute?

    this was probably before the nazi regime became what it is known as today. probably when it seemed like they were just there to create something new and not destroy the world.

    June 27, 2010 at 6:41 am | Reply
  75. ric

    it's quite amusing really – The english are convinced that most other european countries (especially the french and germans) hold the same xenophic, biggoted, tabloid-esque views of the english – In reality, the french and germans don't spend near as much time occupying themselves thinking about their cross-channel english neighbours -. I guess the english have to amuse themselves somehow on that cold, grey island of theirs.😉

    June 27, 2010 at 6:44 am | Reply
  76. Mick Koons

    " Damien June 26th, 2010 4:39 pm ET

    "Only Americans would talk about war in the context of a football game."

    *** Two posts later

    *An Englishman June 26th, 2010 7:19 pm ET

    You should hear the comparison some of the tabloids in England are making: "It's like the war again: the French have dropped out, the Americans will arrive later and we'll have to face the Germans alone"

    ---------------------------

    Really, Damien dude? Really? Only in America, huh (yawn).

    June 27, 2010 at 6:47 am | Reply
  77. A German

    The most hilarious part of all this is that for any self-respecting German football fan, the biggest rivalry is in fact with the Netherlands and not England...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany_and_Netherlands_football_rivalry

    June 27, 2010 at 6:47 am | Reply
  78. spindle

    2-1 for Germany. English fans are shocked.

    June 27, 2010 at 7:03 am | Reply
  79. ric

    maybe the english should get help from the americans half way through the game ? It worked 67 years ago.

    June 27, 2010 at 7:09 am | Reply
  80. Remko Holland

    I hope German wins !!!! The Dutch want to meet Germany in this tournament. In America maybe you dont know but Holland vs Germany is THE match .. its an absolute thriller !!! So Germany ... win from England so we can teach you a lesson you will never forget !!!!

    June 27, 2010 at 7:14 am | Reply
  81. Peter E

    Funny. I browsed through the BBC website and nowhere did I see the British press obsess about, or even mention the war rivalry between the two nations.

    June 27, 2010 at 7:40 am | Reply
  82. Betty

    Damien, you're wrong. It is actually only the Brits who do that. In Germany, the football rivalry between England and Germany is almost non-existent... The Dutch are viewed as much more of a rival than the English.

    June 27, 2010 at 7:47 am | Reply
  83. AJ

    It's interesting that some of you say that the Germans don't care about England and don't have a rivalry with them. Why don't you speak to Jurgen Klinsman (German superstar and ex-manager)?http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/world_cup_2010/matches/match_51.

    June 27, 2010 at 8:07 am | Reply
  84. russell@frankfurt

    ENGLISH team giving Nazi salute in Berlin, Germany in 1938!

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-513358/Shameful-picture-England-squad-giving-Nazi-salute-haunts-British-sport-Why-70-years-later-suck-dictators.html

    June 27, 2010 at 8:07 am | Reply
  85. Jonas

    Guys, i read all your comments, and i ask myself why you arent shame about yourself to speak about war...
    I am German and i think we will lose today.
    England has got a brilliant team, powerful, fast..
    Germany isnt good as england.
    But infact i dont care about who is winning because in the quater final, the winner will lose vs Argentinia

    June 27, 2010 at 9:12 am | Reply
  86. sin

    germans started both world wars ... they will pay for it tomorrow . go england!!! 3:0 always against germany

    June 27, 2010 at 9:17 am | Reply
  87. Jonas

    additionally my tip..

    England vs Germany 4:1

    June 27, 2010 at 9:19 am | Reply
  88. GermanInthUK

    Being German I have been living in this beautiful country for years However, there are a few things which I find quite appalling, i.e. the "drinking culture" and the obsession with WW 2 (not only when England is playing Germany in football).
    It is a general obsession which can only be explained by the fact that post WW2 Britain never matched post WW2 Germany, for example, in terms of a successful economy, infrastructure and health care. I love England, the country, the people but this strange fascination with WW2 is gradually getting ridiculous.

    June 27, 2010 at 9:21 am | Reply
  89. typefromle

    1990??? not only WEST Germany Team, but all germans. 1989 was the German reunification....

    June 27, 2010 at 9:31 am | Reply
  90. VegasPete

    Anyway , that will be an good game.
    Beckenbauer : We call it a Klassiker.🙂
    Ps: germany – england 5:0

    June 27, 2010 at 9:34 am | Reply
  91. John in Ireland

    On May 14, 1938, in Berlin's Olympic Stadium, the English football team were blackguarded by the Foreign Office and the Football Association into giving the "Heil Hitler" Nazi salute before a friendly game with Germany. It was a piece of contemptible cringing rendered even more pathetic and futile because Hitler, who hated sport, didn't bother to turn up.

    June 27, 2010 at 9:59 am | Reply
  92. Dietmar

    It is the NOW – not the PAST that counts!
    Go Germany!!

    June 27, 2010 at 10:11 am | Reply
  93. SHD

    I recall flying into Heathrow ten years ago or so and the airport was littered with signs that simply said "4-0" The score in an England win over the Germans. Nothing more was really needed.

    June 27, 2010 at 10:17 am | Reply
  94. LCW

    Damien, do some research before spouting off... The writer is half English and half Ghanaian...

    June 27, 2010 at 10:19 am | Reply
  95. KA

    doesnt quite matter who wins, because that team will go on to face argentina ( who will destroy mexico) and therefore face utter annihilation

    Vamos Argentina

    June 27, 2010 at 10:21 am | Reply
  96. Dominic

    Mention the war all you like..

    England started it, lost it in Dunkirk and then called for help to stand on the winning side.

    Imagine we did the same every time you occupied a county and enslaved the indigenous population... I`m suprised you mention the war yourselves.

    What a way to treat your oldest friends.

    Never the less I feel England deserve a second if not a third World Cup. They have proven themselves more than worthy.

    Should you win today, myself and many other Germans will hope to see you take it all the way and win it.

    June 27, 2010 at 10:43 am | Reply
  97. Hans

    of course, England is the biggest rival, when it comes to soccer, and yes, we also do the war references, just black humor, nothin else. This Match IS important, the loosing team will face anger, dissapointment and shame, when returning home. Football is war without ammunition. A subsitute, that keeps the world a safe place.

    June 27, 2010 at 10:49 am | Reply
  98. Heinrich

    I'm sorry but you won't meet Agentina. Today England is on it's way back home.🙂

    Nicht traurig sein, ist doch nur ein Spiel...😉

    June 27, 2010 at 10:56 am | Reply
  99. Ohioan

    @Damien: War is the purest form of sport, especially European wars, even there are rules of fair play.

    June 27, 2010 at 11:00 am | Reply
  100. Robert

    Damien – and only people like Damien would bunch 300,000,000 under one umbrella of hatred.

    June 27, 2010 at 11:06 am | Reply
  101. bojana-belgrade

    i hope that germany will beat england,and finnaly sent them home,because they didn't deserve to contuinue this competition,considering their game

    June 27, 2010 at 11:10 am | Reply
  102. Scott

    I don't care who wins this game. I just want to see some great soccer.

    June 27, 2010 at 11:17 am | Reply
  103. Karen

    And here's a picture of said salute:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-513358/Shameful-picture-England-squad-giving-Nazi-salute-haunts-British-sport-Why-70-years-later-suck-dictators.html

    June 27, 2010 at 11:18 am | Reply
  104. Laird

    Damien;
    No, apparently London-educated English/Ghanaian former BBC presenters ALSO mentin the war in context to football. Nice bigotry there my friend, but you just scored an own goal!
    (Next time, check the author's credentials before popping off with the ignorance)

    JoshuaD;
    No to you also. The English football team did indeed stick their hands up in the Nazi salute. Don't know WHAT they were thinking, but whatever it was, I'm sure they came to regret that moment.

    June 27, 2010 at 11:26 am | Reply
  105. An American

    @ Damien ... the writer of the article is a British citizen, not an American.

    June 27, 2010 at 11:29 am | Reply
  106. JP

    The soccer match in WWI was between the Germans and the Scots, not the English.

    June 27, 2010 at 11:34 am | Reply
  107. Paul

    @JoshuaD

    No, the England Team were 'ordered' by The FA to give the Nazi salute prior to a game in Berlin in 1938. England went on the win 6-3 in front of Hitler. Story on the link below.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3128202.stm

    June 27, 2010 at 11:42 am | Reply
  108. Shamos

    Why do not you all wait for the result and who ever plays better is cheered up. Wars are gone for now.

    June 27, 2010 at 11:51 am | Reply
  109. machelix

    i think, brits should start packing bags. I am sure germany going to kick ass today.. Best of luck deutschland. Football crazy dog from Asia

    June 27, 2010 at 11:56 am | Reply
  110. Mike

    Why did CNN news anchor Terry Baddoo have to bring the German Fussball Team (I hate the word soccer) in context with Hitler and Nazi Germany...? Geeeezzz........Germany has been working so hard on its reputation in the past decades, and then comes Terry and mentions Hitler, Nazi Germany and German soccer in one breath – shame on you. You guys from the press need to ask yourself the following question every time you write an article: "We have the right to print something like this (freedom of the press, US constitution), but is it always the right thing to do?"

    June 27, 2010 at 12:00 pm | Reply
  111. fantazamaraz

    germany started two world wars.....now this will be # 3 !

    fanta

    June 27, 2010 at 12:10 pm | Reply
  112. Ronaldo

    Germany vs England 4:1

    Germany will win the match because the english team (Island monkies) is to stupid to shoot penalties.

    June 27, 2010 at 12:14 pm | Reply
  113. sanych

    A picture is worth a thousand words.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-513358/Shameful-picture-England-squad-giving-Nazi-salute-haunts-British-sport-Why-70-years-later-suck-dictators.html

    June 27, 2010 at 12:18 pm | Reply
  114. Mike

    Damien claims: "Only Americans would talk about war in the context of a football game."

    How wrong you are! See:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/10426060.stm

    http://ndtv.footballindia.com/news/England_vs_Germany_Everyone_Mentions_War/news-2010-june-news_20100627_2756/news_article.aspx

    June 27, 2010 at 12:25 pm | Reply
  115. David Mann

    The problem is that the Germans' with their dour sense-of-humour don't realise that English taunts about the war are made in jest. The English sarcastic wit expects a response like "we saved your ass at Waterloo" but instead just gets angry goose-stepping.

    June 27, 2010 at 12:28 pm | Reply
  116. EnglishSimon

    The whole war thing is just a bit of a joke, and after living in Germany I found they often liked the joke, saying "I can't believe you stupid inefficient English won the war, how did it go so wrong??"
    There is nothing wrong with the English press going down this route, I didn't see many English people getting bothered about the American reports of the 'Victory over England 1-1 draw', I actually found it quite amusing.
    So lighten up Germany, enjoy the banter....otherwise your just embarrassing yourself.

    COME ON ENGLAND!!!!!

    June 27, 2010 at 12:40 pm | Reply
  117. winfred

    what`s the fuss about germany and england. the chanmpion will come from latin america.. argentina or brazil

    June 27, 2010 at 12:42 pm | Reply
  118. Mike

    Now that the US team has been bounced, maybe the hundred or so Americans that care about soccer can get back to having a life.

    What a boring sport. A field full of players who spend half the match standing around, resting up and watching the theatrics of those who pretend to be hurt.

    Constant action, hardly. Great game for little girls, but about as physical and exciting as golf, darts, or bowling.

    The Ghanads did us a favor.

    June 27, 2010 at 1:00 pm | Reply
  119. Yman

    Only Europeans would drag the U.S. into a soccer discussion about England and Germany. Let me guess, this is all George W. Bush's fault right?

    Is the term "metaphor" familiar to you?

    June 27, 2010 at 1:02 pm | Reply
  120. Eyita

    I have seen the picture...it was the German team who gave the Nazi salute. Not England.

    June 27, 2010 at 1:04 pm | Reply
  121. Wanker75

    Exactly.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/3128202.stm

    June 27, 2010 at 1:08 pm | Reply
  122. Norbert

    @Damien, this story and the reporter are both British. Not American.

    June 27, 2010 at 1:15 pm | Reply
  123. dunwoodyjoe

    football is not only a sports in Europe and south america, it's a little bit like religion and the games between Germany and England are first of all for England continuing the war. Read newspapers from England, you will be surprised about the hate thats written there

    June 27, 2010 at 1:30 pm | Reply
  124. garc

    I'm an American who loves soccer/football/whatever you want to call it, and I'm just glad some of the rest of us Yanks are starting to finally get it. I just look forward to watching the game. I'm married to an Irishman (devastated by the "Hand of Frog" incident) whose sister married an Englishman (hyperventilating about this upcoming match), and whose best friend's decades-long girlfriend is German. The world is getting smaller, which I for one am happy about. It'll be a trip to watch.

    June 27, 2010 at 1:32 pm | Reply
  125. April

    Damien, buddy... you should watch more football. I was at an England Germany match where the English were chanting "if you won the war, Stand Up!"

    June 27, 2010 at 1:36 pm | Reply
  126. TripleA

    "Don't mention the war – don't mention the score"

    Either way – this joke (presented also by the fabulous John Cleese in "Faulty Towers") is just for the British funny, but different than one might think...

    Germans don't understand it, because first of all nowadays they regard the victory over Nazi Germany as painful for all but necessary step for liberation from a dictatorship. Secondly, the rapid rise of the "Wirtschaftswunderland" Germany after the war gave the Germans enough self-confidence not to be ashamed for the defeat.

    Instead of relying on national pride and the bygone glory of the British Empire and the Commonwealth like the English did, the Germans took their economic power and their currency, the Deutsche Mark, as a symbol for national identity. Every German is also proud of the inventions, high-skilled craftsmanship and high quality products its nation is developing.

    So when they hear about the gonzo titles above british tabloid articles excoriating the Germans they feel bewildered and amused about the diehard british anti-german propaganda. They regard it as a sign of inferiority complex of the British, who have won the war but lost the peace afterwards. Most of the working class Germans don't make these considerations, they regard those verbal assaults as the boastful talk of the inhabitants of "monkey island"...

    June 27, 2010 at 1:42 pm | Reply
  127. Gerrard Stevens

    England's song, to the tune of camptown races:
    "Two World Wars and One World Cup, England all the Way;
    Two World Wars and One World Cup, England all the wayyyy;
    England All The Way, England All the Way;
    Two World Wars and One World Cup, England all the way"

    June 27, 2010 at 1:48 pm | Reply
  128. jcartagena

    This is about football, not war, though in the field players are a bit less than warriors.
    Score Germany 2 England 1

    June 27, 2010 at 1:51 pm | Reply
  129. Peabody

    About mentioning the war – Glad I'm not the only one who thought that mentioning the war is a little untasteful. Haven't we moved past that oh, about a million times? It's time to teach our kids that it's important history, yes, but England and Germany are both our friends (and in many cases our ancestry- the ones who made this country what it is).

    About Americans "arriving later" – we arrive late, we arrive early – either way – the world disapproves of what we do – the world likes us when it's to their advantage.

    June 27, 2010 at 2:05 pm | Reply
  130. Jonathan M

    The "don't mention the war" like is a reference to the 1970's John Cleese TV comedy Fawlty Towers in which the ludicrous hotel keeper is discombobulated by the arrival of German visitors, receives a bang on the head, and marches round goose-stepping and shouting 'Heil Hitler.

    Hence the headline Don't Mention The Score would immediately remind any British reader of Cleese's ludicrous parody of patriotism and would get a good laugh!

    June 27, 2010 at 2:05 pm | Reply
  131. Aric ( American from Ohio)

    Let the huns know that the Yanks and the Brits will always be there to stop them. Whether it be war or Football. Go Brits!!!!!!!

    Oh and by the way there are Millions of Americans that love Football even though we may call it by the wrong name. Keep an eye out we are coming .....

    June 27, 2010 at 2:17 pm | Reply
  132. Nathan

    @Damien

    Only an ignorant person would make a dumb post without research Terry Baddoo is not an American, but instead Half-English, Half-Ghanaian. Way to fail.

    June 27, 2010 at 2:37 pm | Reply
  133. Ol. L.

    The French Olympic team also gave a Nazi salute.

    June 27, 2010 at 2:49 pm | Reply
  134. Big Mike

    Well Germany, I'm sorry to say that the War (both of them) will probably be referenced forever on all subjects from related to your – from football to economics. The harsh truth is that Hitler and all your uncles and grandfathers wrecked, burned, and destroyed almost every country that they wanted. Literally millions of soldiers and civilian men, women, and children rest prematurely in their graves because of this. We know it's not your fault...you were't even born – we get it. However, take the comments in stride. Embrace it. Never say it bores you – that is a slap in the face to the dead mentioned above. And remember – no one wants to deprive you of your national pride and your heritage. You had it all back after the war. You have Eisenhower, Patton, and Monty to thank for that.
    – 3rd Army.

    June 27, 2010 at 3:04 pm | Reply
  135. LA Ari

    Now now now now...

    We shouldn't be fighting like this. We have to think of the one thought that unites us all, Americans, English, German, Dutch, Brasilians:

    Namely, that the French Team stunk up the joint.

    June 27, 2010 at 3:05 pm | Reply
  136. Ian

    "Only Americans would talk about war in the context of a football game.

    Um, no. Actually Damien, it's the Brits - from their chants to their tabloids they constantly evoke the war in relation to the game. Two World Wars, thousands dead, the blitz, being attacked by a genocidal evil fascist state, etc. - it all made a big impression on them. Go figure.

    That said, your willed ignorance, kneejerk anti-Americanism and inability to even read the article are all rather telling.

    June 27, 2010 at 3:12 pm | Reply
  137. Andres

    funny ppl still mention the war. so the match is over, the germans won and now I'm having a drink with my english mates. even though I am a german. right now the only one as far as i can see

    June 27, 2010 at 3:58 pm | Reply
  138. Dema

    It is real pathetic to witness England being defeated this way. What a refree on earth is this man? I feel sorry for England yet proud for Germany. But I hate the refree who let England down before the half time. How can FIFA not install super camera for huge World Cup? I wish if the clock can be turned back
    Bhutan

    June 27, 2010 at 4:42 pm | Reply
  139. Philip Gibson

    It would be easier to forgive Germany for World War II if they hadn't thrashed us today. However, I don't believe the reports that Hitler's deputy, Martin Bormann, fled to Uruguay at the end of the war and that his grandson was the referee in today's game.

    Don't blame the ref for not allowing England's equaliser – blame Sepp Blatter and FIFA for being blind to, or disinterested in, the truth about football games.

    FIFA seem to drop the ball at every opportunity, and what's more, they seem to turn away from anything that can reveal the truth about football!

    They refused to fairly address the France v Ireland issue after Henry's handball, ignoring the fact that millions of us saw the truth on TV seconds after the incident; they didn't ask South Africans to leave their horrible horns at home so the true sound (roars, gasps, groans, applause and cheers) of the vast majority of the crowd could be heard; they didn't agree to the use of limited appeals using slow motion video replays to definitively settle disputed referee decisions by quickly showing officials the true details of disputed incidents. .

    So why do FIFA consistently turn their backs on decisions that can show us the truth we all want?. Hopefully, there'll be a completely new and enlightened FIFA board by the time of the next World Cup.

    June 27, 2010 at 6:46 pm | Reply
  140. Adam

    It is hard to believe that people connect a football game with a war that took place over 60 years ago. None of the Germans, whom I know, do. Perhaps that is the reason why they so clearly won.

    June 27, 2010 at 6:47 pm | Reply
  141. Ivette

    Vamos Argentina!!!!!!!!
    It looks Argentina will play vs Germany, it would be an awesome game to watch.

    June 27, 2010 at 7:29 pm | Reply
  142. Dani

    First of all:
    Guys WW2 endet over 60 years ago...so get over it...the boys in our team are 24 years old they were born 40 years after the war...Germany payed for it very hard and we really changed we became a great country. We are very multicultural even in our team...the reason why England allways talk about the war is because they are afraid of us when it comes to FOOTBALL and the result of today 4:1 victory for Germany shows why.....
    We in Germany don't care about England sure we don't like them but this is because they hate us and allways write trash about us...but we prefer giving the answer on the football field...
    the problem is that they live in the past in every way and that is why they loose....the football they play would have been good in 1990 but not in 2010!!!!

    June 27, 2010 at 10:19 pm | Reply
  143. sofiane sahlaoui

    (ho laughes best ,laughes last) it's you your turn to cry england you were so bad that we didn't is that we were all the sports men wereshocked by the way you play .you were bad ,verry bad is that english fooooooooot ball!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    123 viva algerie

    June 27, 2010 at 10:35 pm | Reply
  144. Jen

    I'm Anglo-Scottish and have never once supported the English football team. I'm chuffed they lost today, it proved that once again the arrogance of the English media towards other nations is nothing short of foolish.

    As for the war thing...well it is of no surprise that the majority of Germans hate us for always banging on about it. I mean, what German with half a brain cell would want to be constantly reminded of that part of their history?

    But then, there are so many reasons why we do keep mentioning it. At least 6 million. And i'll give you a clue, none of them have anything to do with football.

    June 27, 2010 at 11:05 pm | Reply
  145. fantazamaraz

    I was asports writer at my first news job in Melbourne in 55, but since then rarerly cared about sports, been too busy raising two Sons as a single Dad.
    However, being Welshborn, I was compelled to watch the game yesterday and I found the german team far superior in tactics, speed, defence and overall diligence. HYpe aside the england team looked disarayed, mismatched, tired and frustrated ! Prehaps if beckham wa playing and captain things would have been different. I am not at all impressed with capello, his antics,tantrums, bullying attitude or leadership ! I think a far more talented and better matched team could have been chosen !

    fanta

    June 28, 2010 at 12:10 am | Reply
  146. marcos from Brazil

    To Germany: save us the trouble (Brazil) and please kick Argentina out of this WC... Geez that Maradona makes me sick with that arrogant look he has... Hope u guys make me proud so we can probably meet one more time in the finals and give everyone a good show!peace~

    June 28, 2010 at 5:02 am | Reply
  147. tam

    I am Scot’s and as my national team did not qualify for the finals that made me a neutral for these
    games some posts here have confused British with English here. Well anyone who knows the football culture here will tell you there is no love between Scotland and England in football terms
    and because the tv media like the bbc are English dominated it means we have a system of broadcasting content that is centred on there culture sport and history.
    So the last thing you want despite England being our neighbours is for them to win.
    Its because English media induced nationalism can take a nasty turn they think they are better than everyone.

    June 28, 2010 at 9:20 am | Reply
  148. Bloody

    Why say the england he have won the war ??? No he have won the war but not alone . Land vs land im 100% germany won

    June 28, 2010 at 10:44 am | Reply
  149. Cecilia Lehmann

    To Damien (First Post)

    I know Americans are occasionally lambasted for ignorance, but you've really shown your own ignorance here. For your information, please look up http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_truce.

    Also, at yesterday's match here in South Africa, the English supporters at one point sung the tune to 99 bottles of beer on the wall, replacing the lyrics with references to german fighter jets, being gunned down by the English.

    It's always about the war. Even the soccer.

    June 28, 2010 at 11:08 am | Reply
  150. Jen

    Also to everyone talking about how Germany's true rivals are the Dutch. Why do you think that is? Oh yeah, the WAR!

    June 28, 2010 at 11:33 am | Reply
  151. victor sallah (zenithbank)

    But you, Ghana, in the land of Africa are not the least among the rulers of the world; for out of you shall come the shining star of Africa who will shepherd my people ......go black stars go

    June 28, 2010 at 2:03 pm | Reply
  152. Marco Steven

    Why so many people using this media access to show yourself pity??!!

    It is just a sport and a game. Why have to take everything so personal and brought all kind of excuses and politics to the table??!!
    I don’t see other countries complaining up to this level, after they lost their games.

    For those people who have nerved to even use War II as a topic to referring to sport, that only show how shallow and uneducated you guys are.

    Do some history homework instead of drinking alcohol, you people. Just within short 120 years, how many wars were caused by England?! All the way to China, India, Middle East to Africa, how many millions people were killed or suffered. Up to today, they are still paying the price. But no one even mentioned about "WHAT" your older generations have had done, and you people have no shame and still baiting what have happened over 60 years ago as your argument!!.

    You people should using your amount of complaining energy to train your players to be better and show the world what you got on next World-Cup instead of complaining like a crying baby non-stop.
    Be a good sport, and as an adult should able take it as is.

    Ps. I can’t believe “CNN” allow/let those people to use your media as a communicating channel to attack other country for their own dam fault. And your media are talking about Justas, and even bring up a story regarding Nazi time during World War II. WHAT IS THIS HAVE TO DO WITH SPORTS??!! Unbelievable!!

    June 28, 2010 at 5:12 pm | Reply
  153. Mischpoke

    Dave wrote: "I'd be pissed if I was a German reading this. Germans as a rule are sensitive and not proud of this era and I am sure will think we are asses if reading this from a major media platform of the USA. I really think it is inappropriate."

    We're not pissed, we don't care. We are getting bored of it. Football is such a fascinating sports, and it's a shame to mix sports and politics / history. But actually your country and internet-forum – your rules.

    We just want to let you know that the war-thing ist absolutely one-sided.

    June 28, 2010 at 5:21 pm | Reply
  154. Amelie

    This article is strongly biased. A shame that CNN publishes such bad work.

    By the way, it's 2010!

    June 29, 2010 at 12:47 am | Reply
  155. Andrea from Germany

    In a war everyone loses, no matter what party wins. In the end only death and sorrow remain. The Englisch press and their followers should be ashamed of themselves for lightly making fun of war and using the topic of WWII for the purpose of selling their papers. It is shameful and inappropriate.
    Not only the Germany of today is slapped in the face but every victim who suffered during the war.

    Hate, arrogance and hybris have always been the downfall of societies. This, Germany had to learn the hard way. And for this lesson we are grateful, for we won´t repeat our mistakes in the future. Can you say the same? Have you people learned from the mistakes your glorious Empire (or Germany or other countries) made in the past centuries? Are you able to bury the hate? With all my heart I hope so.

    I´m proud of my country and our football team. The latter shows the new Germany, a Germany which is not afraid of other cultures, other religions, the colour of the skin or people who are different. It is a Germany the last genereations worked on to become a better place, a place of peace and acceptance. At least we tried.

    Have a nice day
    Andrea

    June 29, 2010 at 2:36 pm | Reply
  156. JPMiami

    FIFA, it is time for technology. Teams and fans have been robbed and devastated by these unfair and inexplicable calls and the course of the World Cup has been affected as well. There is a strong need not just for goal-line technology but for “Instant Replay”. It’s only getting worse, four years ago in Germany this issue was very bad, this time in South Africa it has been a disaster. Disgraceful calls by referees. Too late for apologies, the harm has been done!!!

    Join the support group on Facebook for FIFA to take action:

    http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=136701196342639&ref=mf

    June 29, 2010 at 5:30 pm | Reply
  157. Julia

    Germany vs. Agentina

    Argentina will lose against the german team cause thei are to aggresive

    July 1, 2010 at 9:38 am | Reply
  158. Alain

    Andrea!! Words up!!
    I am and many people in this world are on your side.
    Good for you!!

    July 1, 2010 at 3:57 pm | Reply
  159. nuuna

    the comments are funny.gave me good laugh for the night.looking forward to tomorrow matches.

    ps...the better teams made it.so folks..lets it go.the BRITISH..quit whinnig...why brag abt one game yall won like thousands of years ago.the british team played baldy...very baldy....get younger players next time.still got a chance to win a world cup...so u can brag about it until the end of times.

    netherlands hate the germans ..........becuase the germans stole the dutch bicycles and turn into guns in ww2.i figure that is why they r mad at the germans. and yall know how dutch love their bicycles so you can imagine anyone touching their bicycles...

    July 2, 2010 at 6:03 am | Reply

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